Many would come and try to dispute with him, but he did his best to avoid dispute. I was very fond of listening to his way of dealing with inquirers. My friends wanted to discuss what the ideal life is. He said, "Whatever you think it is." But my friends were not satisfied with this; they wanted a discussion. They answered, "Do you think this worldly life, with so many responsibilities, with strife from morning to evening, can be the ideal life?" He said, "Yes." They asked, "Do you not think that the life you lead, retirement and seclusion, is the ideal life?" He answered, "Yes." They said, "But how can we give up our present life, our responsibilities to our children, our occupations, and all these things that take up so much time; how can we leave that life in order to follow your ideal life?" He said, "Do not leave it."