I would like to speak this evening on the subject of interest and indifference. Those who move about on the surface of life, for them interest and indifference are like their right hand and their left hand. And souls who have touched the depth of life, for them interest and indifference are just like two poles of the world. One has to turn one's back to the North Pole in order to go to the South Pole, and one has to turn one's back on the South Pole in order to go to the North Pole. Generally man says today, "I am interested in something," and tomorrow he says, "I have lost my interest." Or he says, "I could be interested in something," and before he can be interested in something he has become indifferent. Interest is necessary to tread the path of attainment; indifference is needed to attain the goal of renunciation. If one is deep, if one is sincere, and yet one does not know these opposite poles, in spite of the depth he has and in spite of the sincerity he has, he will be pulled from both sides by interest and by indifference.